Ι am surprised that this treasure was not stolen by Great Britain alongside the PARTHENON Sculptures
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Paolo Lithique Nikos Amok • 5 days ago see moreReading between the lines of this article suggests perhaps it was.
Nikos Amok Paolo Lithique • 5 days ago see moreWhat a shame for British people . The GREEK sculptures belong to Greece and must be reunited with PARTHENON.LOOTERS AND THIEVES of British museum get lost.
John Webster Nikos Amok • 4 days ago see morePay your debts and maybe you’ll get your stuff back.
Nikos Amok John Webster • 4 days ago see moreWhen Britain will pay its debt for decades of bloody occupation and exploitation of CYPRUS ,then we can talk about the debt that is imposed on Greece.
WHEN Britain APOLOGISE AND PAY ITS DEBT FOR the bloody military intervention during Greek civil war ,then we can talk about the debt that is imposed on GreeceTorbjörn Larsson Nikos Amok • 4 days ago see moreThe looting and thieving happened in history.
There is definitely a case for repatriation of original material. I fail to see how capital, crackpot screaming and cussing helps with that.
Looks like you want to insert a WWII/Cold War situation into the discussion of where the antique material belong.
The Greek Civil War (Greek: ο Eμφύλιος [Πόλεμος], o Emfýlios [Pólemos], "the Civil War") was fought between the Greek government army (supported by the United Kingdom and the United States) and the Democratic Army of Greece (DSE) — the military branch of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE) (supported by Bulgaria, Albania, Yugoslavia, and covertly by the Soviet Union via their Eastern European proxies) from 1946 to 1949. The fighting resulted in the defeat of the DSE by the Hellenic Army.[13]
The civil war resulted from a highly polarized struggle between left and right ideologies that started in 1943. From 1944 each side targeted the power vacuum resulting from the end of Axis occupation (1941–1944) during World War II.[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... ]
Without taking sides, that too belong in history of earlier generations.
Nikos Amok Torbjörn Larsson • 4 days ago see moreWhen 28 civilians were killed in Athens, it wasn’t the Nazis who were to blame, it was the British. Ed Vulliamy and Helena Smith reveal how Churchill’s shameful decision to turn on the partisans who had fought on our side in the war sowed the seeds for the rise of the far right in Greece todayBritain’s logic was brutal and perfidious: Prime minister Winston Churchill considered the influence of the Communist Party within the resistance movement he had backed throughout the war – the National Liberation Front, EAM – to have grown stronger than he had calculated, sufficient to jeopardise his plan to return the Greek king to power and keep Communism at bay. So he switched allegiances to back the supporters of Hitler against his own erstwhile allies.Within days, RAF Spitfires and Beaufighters were strafing leftist strongholds as the Battle of Athens – known in Greece as the Dekemvriana – began, fought not between the British and the Nazis, but the British alongside supporters of the Nazis against the partisans.
. In Greece, you found yourself fighting – or imprisoned and tortured by – the people who had collaborated with the Nazis, on British orders. It is a narrative of which the millions of Britons who go to savour the glories of Greek antiquity or disco-dance around the islands Mamma Mia-style, are unaware.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...Torbjörn Larsson Nikos Amok • 3 days ago see moreNobody condones murders. That said, it is history.
Moving on - if you can - the repatriation of antiquities is another issue. As is modern populations behavior - I happen to like frestyling.
Nikos Amok Torbjörn Larsson • 2 days ago see moreI agree with you,repatriation of antiquities is another issue. I reckon that you fail to say to John Webster that the debt also has nothing to do with the stolen Sculptures of PARTHENON.
Paolo Lithique John Webster • 4 days ago see moreNo one owes England anything.
Art~Spectrum Paolo Lithique • 4 days ago • edited see moreThe entire world owes the Imperial British Empire, and Great singular American brother Nation MUCH. Rise of the Anglo-Saxon peoples! And that by the Almighty's faithful Providence. — The Ruler of the heavens, and the Land-Lord of Earth, Who raised up those two great beneficent powers (nations of an ancient people of imperfect humans) for His Purpose, at a foretold and ordained time.
When the Bible was their Compass and Sextant, source of their Judeo-Christian society, they were a seafaring and colonizing civilizing blessing to mankind. (Abolition of age-old slavery, for example; now making a big comeback!) And delivered nations from episodes of Dark Age tyranny, under dire military threat, as from today's malicious-subversive, primal and brutal nihilistic neo-Marxism — Century old curse of humanity!
exarchtwin Art~Spectrum • 3 days ago see moreYour understanding of history is as laughable as your ego
Torbjörn Larsson Art~Spectrum • 3 days ago see moreDo not perpetrate your personal superstitious rituals in public, please.
Nikos Amok Art~Spectrum • 2 days ago see more1,‘’Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place’’. Ephesians 5:4
2.'Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek....Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" BIBLE- 1Samuel 15:3.
PS.‘’A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything’’. NietzscheArt~Spectrum Nikos Amok • 2 days ago • edited see more1. ???
2. – You left out preceding verse:
“Thus says the LORD hosts: I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt."
– 1-Sam. 15:2 (NKJV)
Historical atrocity recorded in Exo. 17:8…
Jamieson, Fausset & Brown Commentary on Exodus 17 context:
”The language implies that no occasion had been furnished for this attack; but, as descendants of Esau, the Amalekites entertained a deep-seated grudge against them, [...]. It seems to have been a mean, dastardly, insidious surprise on the rear [ they pitiless violently preyed upon innocent elder folks, women and children, probably trailing behind the main peaceful body of Israel in migration?! ] ( Num 24:20 Deu 25:17 ), and an impious defiance of God.”
Not unlike a malice-driven people today irrationally bent on pitiless murder and merciless terror, against a settled peace-loving people in cradle homeland (especially innocent women and children!). The Amalekites struck Israel in migration—unprovoked—elderly, women and children, apparently, were mercilessly slaughtered!
I see JUSTICE in the Judgment that befell them! An unheeded warning. A later descendant, the infamous Haman of the Book of Esther, poisoned with a similar malice, and an implacable hatred, planned genocide against the Jews populating the Medo-Persian Empire.
His fate likewise was just: the would be mass-murderer, false-witnessing Amalkite accuser, high-ranking courtier of the Persian Emperor (Xerxes?), through worked-out miraculous execution of divine-Justice, was hung from his own home-built, high family-estate erected gallows–whereon he wickedly plotted to unjustly hang an innocent man: Mordecai, who had earlier adopted his young orphaned niece, tender and lovely raised in his home as his own daughter: beloved Esther.
On PS: Nietzsche went insane. – Not a man whose words should be leaned too heavily upon.
Nikos Amok Art~Spectrum • 2 days ago see moreChristians are reasonable and good people, the god they worship and his prophets are the epitome of LOVE ....THEY loves when infants are dashed to pieces and pregnant women get ripped up...
“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.” (Hosea 13:16)''Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for what he did 'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'" BIBLE- 1 Samuel 15:3.
PS.''11 Historical Geniuses and Their Possible Mental Disorders.'' https://www.mentalfloss.com...
Torbjörn Larsson John Webster • 4 days ago • edited see moreGet out of North Ireland custom services, and maybe we would want to support that. ;-)
Art~Spectrum • 5 days ago • edited see moreYet another example that classical and even pre-classical Western and ancient Middle Eastern man was as capable as men of the Age of Science Discovery (excluding the rise of pseudo-science) and advanced in Inventive Mechanical Technology: designed and engineered computer mechanisms, of precision made components.
Certain developed and enlightened ancient peoples understood more, and had advanced farther than mainstream historians generally are willing to acknowledge. Because the apparently overlook ancient historians, and cast the valuable record of the Bible aside. Actually, men and women were most probably more intelligent than the today. And just as inventive and creative, if not more so.
The Abram of the Bible was is reported to have been a sort of scientist of his day, skilled observer of the heavens and most learned.
Despite secular dogma, man (woman beside) had not ascended from the shadowed primitive forest, but actually has descended from the enlightened civilized Garden: civilization-wise, decline from lofty fusion metal of an elevated golden head era, to today's federated, base unified, though fragmented feet of clay and iron, formational. (Daniel 2:)
What other brilliant mechanical wonders and inventive genius, revealed great insights into true fields of Science, have been lost to history's archives, perhaps destroyed. Works lain undiscovered, sunken beneath ancient seas or buried under forgotten lands? Lost mechanical discoveries, once written-down; or brilliant scientific insights, detailed illustrated in ancient parchments, inscribed on clay tablets, rolled-up in forgotten scrolls, or bound in treasured books, old knowledge lost to the vicissitude of time's turbulent ages?
sucellos Art~Spectrum • 4 days ago see moreIt's certainly true that our cognitive faculties aren't just a recent phenomenon but date back quite a bit. I'm certain people ten thousands of years ago were about as clever as we are. What has definitely increased over time is cultural progress. I do not believe in an overly glorified "golden" past and a steady degeneration ending in the Apocalypse. Accumulation of knowledge is what brought us where we are - and that is true all over the world, not just for your selected 'chosen people'.
Art~Spectrum sucellos • 4 days ago • edited see moreWell sucellos, what you or I, or anyone else believes does not reshape the past (though one can distort and edit it to fit a preferred narrative, like the nihilist neo-Marxists), or foretell the future. But real perspective into yesterday's past, can impart insight into tomorrow's future. The Law of History — Something Sir Winston Churchill understood: so his great insights, and dire warnings, about the menace in rise of tyrannical Germanic militarism. (By too many, at the time, too much dismissed.)
The truth of antiquity, as revealed anciently and biblically, would make uncensored history classes exciting, thrilling, and even astonishing, for young and old alike! Further, so much more meaningful! And regarding what is to come, the truth of the past does give insight into the future. — Illuminated by testable divine Revelation: Prophecy, "Tomorrows news reported today". So the World Imperial Image, down history's timeline, ending in "feet part of iron and part of clay" — Dan. 2:33 (KJV).
sucellos Art~Spectrum • 2 days ago see moreAncient writings are always a product of their time and culture. Archaeological study of such writings necessarily includes the separation of history and myth. I recently read something about assyriology and the legends of ancient kings like Gilgamesh. I learnt that aside from various issues with literal translation, assyriologists also have to deal with the fact that apparently Sumerians and Akkadians loved symbolism, word plays and multi-layered meanings. Also older stories were often rewritten to fit the narrative of the new king, make them the sons of legendary kings to validate their claim to power. Some of those stories and a lot of the symbolism also influenced and found their way into what is today the Bible (among others). Even the Bible has seen several translations and many interpretations! By quoting from it as if it was universally and unequivocally true, you're completely ignoring all that vast and multicultural historical context, is all I'm saying.
Art~Spectrum sucellos • 2 days ago • edited see moreI don’t dispute much of the interesting text you write, except when you apply it to the canon Bible. Though it too contains meaningful “symbolism” (Daniel & Revelation, dramatic examples), purposeful “word plays” (as in portions of high-level poetry), and profound “multi-layered
[ as well as multi-dimensional ] meanings”.Ah, the Assyrians, master warriors! Their legendary cruelty, unimaginably bestial, so greatly were they feared. Their savagery paradoxically only matched by phases of high civilization. And culture. Their stone sculptures of the neo-Assyrian Empire, for example, have long struck me as superbly masterful, skillfull of artful realism! O, those faces looking down from time! Their major cities seem to have been well laid-out, spacious of plazas, and magnificent of architectural edifices.
The Assyrian paradox, frightful aspect not unseen in the modern world!
And intimately related, the Bible’s ancient prophecies, now fulfilled (and being fulfilled) – a major proof of divine origin, and authentic claim of Testaments: Author of Whom, of course, used men as scribes, whom He inspired, some lowly some great! – Like Abraham. – All educated.
From different ages and eras (each writer reflecting authentic aspects of his unique time period: linguistic, cultural, historical, etc. – yet Crown-Jewel work remained remarkable consistent from Genesis to Revelation. Strongly indicating a common Supreme AUTHOR of timeless Existence.
Archaeology, which you discuss, thus far fully substantiates Scriptural accounts, narratives and history. Even indicates or suggests accuracy in supernaturally-related events: as when a united mankind in Plain of Shiner, traceable century of the past, attempted dangerous mega World Government-Project, post-Flood age, under brutal megalomaniac warrior-tyrant. –
Thence, onset of massive long-duration drought, real-world evidence come to light, which probably compelled the suddenly multi-lingual populace of races (depending on their patriarchal fathers, like Asshur “second son of Shem”) to separate and migrate to far-flung geographies, globally. – Just as written.
SCIENCE too, reveals a Mighty Creator and Law-Giver. And more… To the unbiased and open-minded, sincerely seeking to know the truth of origins.
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Art~Spectrum Art~Spectrum • 2 days ago • edited see moreYes, even vaunted scientists of recent times, suggest timidly in a whisper, or have boldly acknowledged what their insight and honest understanding reveals – as with Abram anciently to Ur, or Isaac Newton more recently to the West, among other enlightened luminaries of Science: this Grand Creation must have been wrought by Mindful-Intention, and Purposed by deliberate-Design. Men un-corrupted by pervasive and unsubstantiated “Theory” of origins. One not free from criticism by its own adherents. (Something conveniently overlooked by its devoted laymen and lay-women followers.)
Scripture actually does not clash, nor is it opposed to true Science. – In fact points of real-Science were written therein anciently, though hidden from mankind for millennia (in cases, perhaps forgotten from antiquity).
Scientific truths that could have been glimpsed in advance, scattered through books of the Bible!
Pseudo-science–its pontificated origins and entangling web of conjectures–is opposed to, and in conflict with Scripture.
Seems common for skeptics to invert what influenced what or who. “O no, it cannot be” – it MUST NOT BE – “that educated or scholarly scribes of Scripture influenced other societies around them”. – Like Abram of science center Ur of the Chaldees (though just an enlightened scholar who saw the true-Creator in the Law-governed heavens, back then), or Daniel, who rose to high statesman or counselor office in both the neo-Babylonian and Medio-Persian World Empires!
Chaldean mathematics, if not their astronomy, appears to have been more advanced than ours! Abram was evidently a learned mathematician in ancient science center of Ur! (Though tainted with mind-darkening superstition, as much later was to befall Europe, in a different form millennia later, until the mind-opening Renaissance, secular Italian then Christian Protestant.)
The Bible has been, and certainly is interpreted many ways. Its deliberate compositional structure and style leaves swaths of its text open to mis-interpretation (as in meaning of symbols, metaphors and so on). Like one famously taught: The Bible can be compared to a jigsaw puzzle, separated into a certain number of pieces (verse upon verse, a little here and a little there...) – puzzle pieces that, when placed-together rightly, complete a comprehensible PICTURE – but they only fit-together one way. Not 20 different ways.
But once pieced-together, as the Maker intended, common Threads revealed – and Singular Theme shines!
The “vast and multicultural historical context” read in the Bible, written through many centuries, greater than a Millennium's span, provide even more evidence of its remarkable historicity and unassailable accuracy!
sucellos Art~Spectrum • a day ago see moreWhat a grandiloquent accumulation of nonsense. Your preaching doesn't hide that your notions of the scientific methods and its conclusions are confused and clueless. Substituting the terms 'science' and 'faith' seems to be the new fad among bigots... anyway I really should stop feeding it...
Art~Spectrum sucellos • a day ago • edited see moreWell, what one cannot well read, or refuses to understand, can seem nonsensical, "confused and clueless" (if not on separate page). ~ If "preaching" heard, then not my intention was, as qualified I am not. (My explanatory reply, I guess, perhaps excessive ... ) ~ Per-usual, the hostile skeptic resorts to name-calling. One step down from "racist", when labelled a bigot. (But true, I am not into abhorrent Democrat divisive tribalism or deranged revolting Leftist multiculturalism.)
Neo-Marxists favorite tactic, weaponized use of language, or should I say abuse of language, perversion of words, twisted into intimidating clubs, or condensed-down and hurled-out as injurious rocks, threatening personal harm by false accusations. Its disgusting! The dilution of true definitions of real meaningful English.
Sovietization of English!
Demonstrating once again, that the hardcore Left corrupts everything its cankerous hand touches! Culture, medicine, even science, and so on.
What should actually not be fed, is the voracious writhing neo-Marxist beast of the rampaging Radical Left, lest that roused brutal monster, eventually consumes the children who feed it, imagining they will be spared its insatiable apatite for intrusive tyrannical power! – The children of the French Revolution, wound-up being devoured by its hideous unleashed terror. (That is if the boot fits.)
Oops, was I preaching again?
Over and out.
Paolo Lithique Art~Spectrum • 4 days ago see moreAbraham was a goatherder.
The garden of Eden was an area in southwestern Turkey where a hunter gatherer culture built the first brewery at Gobekli Tepi, held big parties and invented gods.Art~Spectrum Paolo Lithique • 4 days ago • edited see moreThat is the warped Hollywood version; ignorant and dismissive secular historian's version; or stereotypical mainstream Christian version. — But it is not the historical truth. ...
As for the sprawling land of the Garden of Eden, look to the Levant where Israel thrives in its cradle homeland, crowned in area of Jerusalem, and have concept where its glorious lush beauty once adorned scenic coast land, gorgeous with valleys and magnificent of hills (pre-Flood geography), Spring-morning of man's awesome existence, on catastrophically buried remains of catastrophe destroyed ancient prehistoric past.
True enough, many "invented gods", but kaleidoscope World of Life—amidst Sun family of desolate and ruined worlds—and brilliant Universe of limitless-Power, though damaged and aged, luminous declares the Ruling God of Heaven!
( Correction: Yes, settled in the Levant, as precious-metal rich, prosperous and prominent man, he had wealth of herds, probably including goats. In Ur of the Chaldees, of Babylonian-relation, as apparent scholar, he observed and evidently studied, and certainly pondered the heavens. But unlike to many of today's astronomers, he logically understood what the magnificent ordered and structured, law-governed Universe so plainly reflects. And as today, the populace of Ur was not to happy about his insightful persuasions!
So, a man ahead of his times, probably not without impressive reputation, was apparently compelled to migrate out with his family. More accurately, called forth to greater monumental destiny! Whose offspring would become as innumerable as the stars of the sky, whose complex interactions and recurring motions, he so carefully observed and studied. )
Torbjörn Larsson Art~Spectrum • 3 days ago • edited see moreThe myth obviously didn't happen. Paolo Lithique was joking.
But you seem not to get the joke of superstition - it is made up.
Art~Spectrum Torbjörn Larsson • 3 days ago • edited see moreIf humor expressed, then not I guess.
But what arrogant certainty you express, asserting that the revealed Judeo-Christian account of the origin of the Universe, and man's appearance on Earth, is "myth" and "superstition".
However, fanciful speculation about man's unproven evolutionary ascendency, and further back, fantastical cosmogony of a "Multiverse" of unending universe experiments (a speculative attempt to circumvent the disturbing implications of a sudden and dramatic Spacetime BEGINNING?), foaming, bubbling and popping-out endless universes. Then at some "miraculous" point in the impersonal, unexplained eternal Multiverse medium, of endless mindless continuum, the winning formula was "discovered" by unintelligence, and blind-force produced, or won the elemental-spatial lottery, winning numbers struck in time, prize of a Law-Governed and Fine-Tuned Created Universe — one miraculously Made for LIFE: "Bang!" — into rotating view, a perfectly-wrought Biosphere Earth for man's historical Age-existence!
O, but the mainstream taught, tenuous and far-flung, extrapolated secular-framed diorama of origins cannot be viewed as "myth", or labelled "superstition", but declared as unquestionable "science" (so called), proven and settled beyond dispute.
Educated and insightful men have dismantled it, flawed piece by flimsy piece. — Thus revealing Thoughtful Intentionality and Mindful-Purpose: spotlighting Signature evidence of Creation.
BeGe1 Paolo Lithique • 3 days ago see moreThat's ridiculous.
As for Abraham: practically all secular scholars agree that he wasn't even a person, but rather an amalgam of various cultural stories put together into one character.
The Garden of Eden is similarly an amalgam of various prehistoric oral traditions with common elements merged into a single story, and even if it has roots more in one than another and a specific religious location we don't know even close to enough give a spot to it (if that's even the nature of it), and it's absolute arrogance to act like we know.
Don't make up stuff simply for the arrogant pleasure of thinking you know more.
Paolo Lithique BeGe1 • 3 days ago see moreI can use metaphor and analogy with the best of them, rivaling any fabricated hen scratchings on parchment.
BeGe1 Paolo Lithique • 3 days ago see moreApparently not, because none of that was analogy or metaphor. It was just you saying wrong stuff.
Paolo Lithique BeGe1 • 3 days ago see moreGoatherder is an analogy for the pastoral lifestyle of that time, of which [yes, the mythic figure] Abraham was the invention of pastoralist tribes living in the Levant.
These pastoralists (herdsmen) would have been both in competition with and cohorts of early agronomists (farmers) and is what the "Cain and Able" metaphorical myth is about.
Do you see how this works now?BeGe1 Paolo Lithique • 2 days ago see moreI see exactly how it works. Make a statements of specific fact to pretend knowledge, then claim it was a metaphor when it's shown to be wrong.
Now do the one where you pretend naming a specific place as the Garden of Eden was just a metaphor.
Honestly I think you're just a liar (lie about knowledge, then lie to yourself about metaphors and such when called out), but just in case you're actually a little on the autistic side and actually don't understand how metaphors work, I'll explain it to you like your 6th grade English teacher should have:
One of the fundamental rules of metaphors is that they cannot be possibly true in a literal sense. Saying "Person X was a goat herder" in an era of goat herders is not a metaphor, it's a claim of fact that Person X existed and worked with actual goats. That statement needs to be factual, or else it is simply a false claim.
That's why metaphors sound like "she has a heard of gold" (having a heart made out of periodic element Au is not something that would actually keep your blood flowing properly) or "he is a tiger in business negotiations" (again, morphing into species panthera tigris when business negotiations start is not actually going to happen).
Negative example: if your brother says "hey, mom died" that is not a metaphor. Period. It's a statement of fact that is either true or false. If he's like "dude, why are you crying, that was a metaphor for my thoughts on maternal affection" then he's not some metaphorical master of tongue...he's a dimwit that has no idea how metaphors work.
You're welcome for the 6th grade English lesson.
Paolo Lithique BeGe1 • 2 days ago • edited see moreAre you a parochial school teacher?
BeGe1 Paolo Lithique • a day ago see moreAre you a person that just learned how metaphors work and is now trying to deflect?
Paolo Lithique BeGe1 • a day ago see moreI'm a psychology teacher.
BeGe1 Paolo Lithique • 2 hours ago see moreSame question. Still unanswered.
Paolo Lithique BeGe1 • 2 hours ago see moreAh, an administrator who couldn't handle the classroom.
Got it.
Art~Spectrum BeGe1 • 2 days ago • edited see moreTone and context are not unimportant in comprehension of written communication, and understanding the attitude of the author's meaning.
And I don't appreciate being called a lier. Misunderstanding is different from deliberate, intentional dishonesty.
No, I would of myself have NO IDEA where the Adamic World's geographic Garden of Eden location originally stood (pre-Deluge continents of different landscapes). But one learned, judging from Scriptural indications, does — situation revolving around Israel's ancient homeland: The "Holy Land". -- Which in frame of the Bible's overarching Grand Family Vision, centers around JERUSALEM, which makes all the sense in the World.
The Land of the mountains of Israel (more expansive in age than today) is very special geography, from the "foundation" of our present misruled world (sad event in a glorious Garden) — on into unending celestial eternity!
Art~Spectrum BeGe1 • 3 days ago see moreScripture holds the answers. Answers you will remain ignorant of, if cast aside dismissively.
BeGe1 Art~Spectrum • 2 days ago see moreI don't cast scripture aside dismissively. I don't cast empirical observation and learning aside dismissively either though.
The person that casts aside secular knowledge and learning dismissively remains just as ignorant as the person that casts aside old wisdom dismissively.
Art~Spectrum BeGe1 • 2 days ago • edited see moreWell BeGe, it is to your credit that you’re open minded, and not closed-off to different points of view, or new perspectives by personal bias. Perhaps my failed writing explains your implication, that I cast “aside secular knowledge and learning dismissively”, along with “empirical observation”.
I too try to be open-minded, and check my tendency towards “confirmation bias”. — That's why I much enjoy reading Sci-News, which like most other science sites, only reflects one predominant world-view.
In any field of research or study, I try to respect evidential truth (though not necessarily every interpretation thereof, where trains of solid-objective thought tend to jump the tracks rails of hard data into speculative research-fields of pure conjecture).
Its good that you respect “old wisdom”. (Which compared to today’s so called “wisdom”, is as the difference between low-value, cheap dull costume jewelry, contrasted to fine-cut, precious coruscating jewels of highest worth, and timeless treasure.)
I can agree with your second-sentence statement.
(So if I misjudged you, my apology.)
Torbjörn Larsson Art~Spectrum • 4 days ago see moreStop citing your personal belief magical texts in a science discussion.
As for the myth, that obviously didn't happen, so that too could be unmentioned. And as for the rest "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."
Yikes, did you have nothing to say on facts!?
Art~Spectrum Torbjörn Larsson • 4 days ago see moreI don't believe in individual or personal "truths". Or relative world views. — Or unproven perspectives on mankind's past. ( Speaking about EVIDENCE, or "facts!", not "myths", ancient or modern. )
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." — Fair enough. I take no issue with that. — Bias should be laid aside, and hard data objectively examined: so follow evidence wherever it may lead. Today's science too often fails in that, medically and otherwise.
I have no regard for "magical texts" of the occult. I'll leave that to the ignorant pagan practitioners of mind-darkening superstition.
Torbjörn Larsson Art~Spectrum • 3 days ago see moreYou display the ignorant pagan practice of mind-darkening superstition in your comment, making wild cites and claims.
Do not perpetrate your personal superstitious rituals in public, please.
Art~Spectrum Art~Spectrum • 3 days ago • edited see more“For whereas the Egyptians were formerly addicted to different customs, and despised one another's sacred and accustomed rites, and were very angry one with another on that account, Abram conferred with each of them [ Genesis recorded sojourn in Egypt, time of great draught ], and, confuting the reasonings they made use of, every one for their own practices, demonstrated that such reasonings were vain and void of truth: whereupon he was admired by them in those conferences as a very wise man, and one of great sagacity, when he discoursed on any subject he undertook; and this not only in understanding it, but in persuading other men also to assent to him. He communicated to them arithmetic, and delivered to them the science of astronomy; for before Abram came into Egypt they were unacquainted with those parts of learning; for that science came from the Chaldeans into Egypt, and from thence to the Greeks also.”
— Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews. Chapter 8, section 2.
Art~Spectrum Art~Spectrum • 3 days ago • edited see moreRemember, this was written about 100 A.D. — When many ancient historical works may have still been extant (though terrible earlier loss to the classical world, of literary treasures held in the great Library of Alexandria, circa 48 B.C., Creaser and Cleopatra, if not actually survived for a time, by a second library), like narratives, chronicles and histories of ancient historians (Babylonian, Egyptian, and later Grecian, for example). So if the great Jewish historian had not related his narrative accounts faithfully, to the sprawling unified world of the Roman Empire, you can be sure one or more learned scholars would have called him out on any such falsehoods or inaccuracies! (Which might have proved disastrous for him personally.)
That would include scholars from Egypt and Greece!
Abraham was a scholar, student of the heavens, in science-advanced Ur, land of the Chaldees: the later Neo-Babylonian Empire, embodied the elevated Head of Gold! — Quite a descent through Silver Medio-Persian era, Bronze Greco-Macedonian age, down Iron Rome's divided legs, reemergent imperial power in Europa, to fragmented and federated brutal iron and miry clay, of final geopolitical manifestation!